tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post845958402656750461..comments2024-03-27T12:49:22.128-07:00Comments on Beadlust: CopycatsRobinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06700778413231259614noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-46295662075845489782012-02-28T15:51:44.036-08:002012-02-28T15:51:44.036-08:00You are such an inspirational person. What a wond...You are such an inspirational person. What a wonderful outlook. I do know of someone who actually copied my art and I was probably half flattered, half mad. I simply asked them not to and they gracefully complied. Looking back I am glad I didn't get nasty about it. You have offered another outlook on it...a healthy attitude. I do admire you for that. Thank you.Connie Eyberg Originalshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12310132698513467232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-26513445165288759392012-02-24T03:44:27.386-08:002012-02-24T03:44:27.386-08:00Just wanted to leave a note with a little differen...Just wanted to leave a note with a little different perspective. This may make some people upset but I think that being allowed to post your opinion is what blogs and the internet are for. I am a recreational beader. I love to bead but can only devote an hour or less a day after a hard day at the office. I do sometime take apart several articles in magazines and books I purchase to make a new design of my own, but most of the time I do not have the extra time or the extra will to do so. I just have enough time to follow the instructions provided and bead.<br /><br />Here is where the copyright issue rears its head. I could never wear everything I do make. (could not afford any more beads if I did) So sometimes I sell a piece I made from a magazine or book(that I have purchased from a retailer)to one of the other gals at the office. I usually charge only what the price of the materials are because I am making the piece for fun and only want to buy more beads(or beading books)so that I can continue to bead. <br /><br />At first, I agonized over doing this. I had read many articles and blogs online saying that copying a design from instructions was not responsible, moral, or legal. But here is the other side of this. I am not portraying the piece as mine. I freely tell all who asks which books or magazines the design came from. If I can remember the designers name I will tell them who came up with the design. If I cannot remember I will suggest they purchase the book or magazine. I pay for the book or magazine and the beads to copy the piece from the instructions provided. I do not see how this can be hurting anyone. I am not taking any money from a designers instructions just the piece I make from them. And I rarely make more than one of the pieces. So I am not mass producing anything. <br /><br />Well, that is one opinion from a small town in Iowa where I have to drive an hour and a half to find even a Micheals or order everything off the internet. Please don't hate me for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-26345875815035471512012-02-16T09:19:25.310-08:002012-02-16T09:19:25.310-08:00I have also recently seen some of my work turning ...I have also recently seen some of my work turning up on pintrest. I guess I feel flattered. I also enjoy seeing others work and have pinned others work simply so I can go back and admire it and be inspired. I also feel that if someone is going to misuse my work there is this wonderful little thing called 'karma' in the universe. It will catch up with whoever is doing the misusing.Susan Shufelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05973306489280665991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-16593310636220494282012-02-12T19:23:28.237-08:002012-02-12T19:23:28.237-08:00I've never used Pinterest, I think I'll ha...I've never used Pinterest, I think I'll have to try it. I love when people share my images, because I write my URL for the website on each.Lord Rcane MMO RPG Reviewhttp://www.lordrcane.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-46186977105493771522012-02-06T06:47:48.688-08:002012-02-06T06:47:48.688-08:00I don't mind if people are using pinterest to ...I don't mind if people are using pinterest to pin my work (colored pencil as beading is just a hobby for me). I pin lots of other artists still lifes and other beaders beadwork, yet I would NEVER copy their work. I will pin something because I fell in love with their color choices (beads) or the way they embroidered around a cabochon. I'll pin other's still life because of the way they lit the still life, or how they arranged their fruit. Then when I'm looking to set up my next still life, the lighting or arrangement will inspire me but never to copy. The bead colors will inspire me, or I might incorporate some of the way the cabochon was beaded but only a small portion. What irks me is those who do copy and put their work on etsy, etc. I've written other artists to let them know that they're being copied. What I do if I'm copied is send an email asking them to take down the work. If they're posting a work from a lesson in my book, then I have no problem as they have permission to do so.Arlenehttp://www.arlenesteinberg.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-66959035332472751462012-02-01T11:47:50.020-08:002012-02-01T11:47:50.020-08:00I waffle on this as well as free how to's. Oft...I waffle on this as well as free how to's. Often its how it’s done that effects how I feel. Sometimes there is a fine line between inspiration and copying. Sometimes it’s hard to know what is in the public domain and what is not. It can be a very complicated issue. I am glad you are blogging about it and getting us thinking.Shepherdesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16486185938734191771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-85869345609752660482012-02-01T07:28:39.135-08:002012-02-01T07:28:39.135-08:00great post...I agree with your outlook....though i...great post...I agree with your outlook....though it may hurt one's pride/feelings, one knows the truth.Tiffany Westlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03634276663805551785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-40401867635815169852012-02-01T06:07:36.613-08:002012-02-01T06:07:36.613-08:00"People copy my ideas. But I don't really..."People copy my ideas. But I don't really care, because by the time they do, I'm already onto something else." <br /><br />Ha! That's my philosophy! I'm never standing in the same place for long as far as my work goes, so by the time I am finding things that resemble mine, I'm way past it and it is so yesterday to me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-27732306835911079642012-01-31T17:48:11.189-08:002012-01-31T17:48:11.189-08:00Sildah, just thought I'd drop a quick note her...Sildah, just thought I'd drop a quick note here (hope you see it) and suggest an option for you, somewhere you can post photos of your kids & not worry: set up a 2nd blog that is "password protected." This means that only people you give the password to are able to log in and view what you post. I have one blog like that and it works perfectly. It was a little bit of work initially to set it up, but there's no bells & whistles on it...mainly for the viewing of photos - safely! Hope that helps :>]]Sweetpeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08000313813136860758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-75761563589403070632012-01-31T17:10:13.972-08:002012-01-31T17:10:13.972-08:00I HATE it when people say..."I would feel com...I HATE it when people say..."I would feel complimented when someone copies me" Or " You should be happy they liked your stuff enough to copy it"<br /><br />Right now, I am in the midst of a huge copyright issue. Found a website, and their side Ebay site that is taking some of my early designs, as well as other designers and mass producing them in India... Read about it on my blog beadedbear.blogspot.com I will be posting more as more developes in this saga<br />SigSig Wynne-Evanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17758754941954867390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-64281977086384645772012-01-31T13:52:06.833-08:002012-01-31T13:52:06.833-08:00Aurora (above) is right about pinterest--it's ...Aurora (above) is right about pinterest--it's basically like an online scrapbook that other people can view too. They embed the original link in the picture (even for "repins") so that anyone can easily find the author and so that the image is attributed properly. This probably does increase the likelihood that something will be copied but that is more because it increases general exposure to one's work rather than the format in itself. <br />The general idea is a tough one though. Where do I draw the line between inspiration, learning and copying? I am making a bird pin for my grandmother. So I searched for stumpwork birds, looked at pictures until I thought I knew how to do it and now I'm giving it a try. Am I stealing the work of the people whose pictures I learned from? It's hard to believe that I am. <br />That said, I'm very aware of the risks and I don't put pictures online that I really don't want out there potentially being used without my consent (like pics of the kids). It annoys the family that they can't see the latest jelly-faced smile but oh, well.Sildahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01398034197909070353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-45648854930060591052012-01-27T21:35:57.437-08:002012-01-27T21:35:57.437-08:00A very timely and well put discussion Robin. With ...A very timely and well put discussion Robin. With SOPA being n the forefront of late, discussion in our house has been lively on this subject. I have discussed my thoughts, with credit to you for the instigation, on my blog http://stitchingwithattitude.blogspot.com/<br /><br />All best wishes,<br />LéonieLeoniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07653775506195517093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-9335754215121597872012-01-24T21:33:22.124-08:002012-01-24T21:33:22.124-08:00There is one famous phrase from the quixiote it go...There is one famous phrase from the quixiote it goes like this " dejalos que ladren sancho, porque eso significa que estamos cabalgando" ( let the dogs bark Sancho, that means we are moving on) succes is allways surrounded by both envy and admiration, so why bother focusing in envy only?Helena de Troyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18092575015426448312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-14936887841358099872012-01-23T17:08:20.844-08:002012-01-23T17:08:20.844-08:00I put a lot of other people's stuff up on Pint...I put a lot of other people's stuff up on Pinterest becuase it links back to their site. It's a great source of inspiration and I don't think it is copying at all. I adhore copying other people's stuff and get very angry when I discover it happening!Sheeprustlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14927327455496824702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-84957685162683921222012-01-23T12:13:15.360-08:002012-01-23T12:13:15.360-08:00This is a great discussion on a complicated subjec...This is a great discussion on a complicated subject. I will assert my rights if I find someone has copied my stuff, but I don't spend a lot of my time looking for it. Life's too short. This is the risk I take when I put photos of my work online, but I'm not giving up the wonderful online communities I belong to.<br /><br />Regarding people copying kits and teaching classes, I have a notice in all my kits:<br /><br />"Reproduction of these instructions by any means is prohibited. If you wish to use these instructions for teaching, a complete kit must be purchased for each student; discounts are available for multiple purchases."<br /><br />I haven't had anyone take me up on that, but at least it's out there. I've also been pondering whether we could come up with a licensing scheme whereby teachers could license their classes to be taught by others. Any thoughts on that?<br /><br />In the end, I like this quote...<br /><br /> They copied all they could follow, <br /> But they couldn't copy my mind.<br /> And I left 'em sweating and stealing,<br /> A year and a half behind.<br /> --Rudyard KiplingGenevievehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02721600478791868699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-7951247373215830162012-01-22T23:16:35.494-08:002012-01-22T23:16:35.494-08:00I love your thoughts about that subject, Robin.
L...I love your thoughts about that subject, Robin.<br /><br />Like you I believe art is a peace agent. Browsing the internet, I notice the artists and craft people are often much gentler and open-minded than your average internet user.<br /><br />I will never forget how you came into my life and what you brought to me. Stitching a spirit doll from one of your books was the first step for me on what has become a long healing and creative path. Being part of the Bead Journal Project was an important thing for me. Now I am learning metal work.<br /><br />Thank you for all your wonderful art and thoughtful posts.<br /><br />With blessings.Padparadschahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08069813470310454639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-5805415697601703972012-01-22T16:09:11.611-08:002012-01-22T16:09:11.611-08:00Imitation is the greatest form of flattery...my mo...Imitation is the greatest form of flattery...my mom used to say. Guess that's what I live by...of course I'm not in the 'business' of art work. If someone copies my work, it's flattering. I know who are the 'real' teachers and who do the copying. i'd still take a class from you!!!Robbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13506964994589004458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-36203648672181837532012-01-22T14:17:31.116-08:002012-01-22T14:17:31.116-08:00I'm a relatively new beader and I find that wh...I'm a relatively new beader and I find that when i design a piece, I generally end up seeing that someone else has beat me to it. Not exactly, but more or less. I guess it's because my pieces are pretty simple. However I'd never dream of blantantly stealing something that belongs to someone else, such as a tutorial or photographs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-6869105751400533892012-01-21T19:49:36.949-08:002012-01-21T19:49:36.949-08:00I think the best thing to do is try to bead someth...I think the best thing to do is try to bead something that no one else can really figure out how to recreate;) Others have borrowed my beaded images before sometimes crediting me, sometimes not. Personally I am flattered when they do it. Life is too short to be bothered with chasing down all the copycats in the world. Just create something new that is obviously you! :DThe Lone Beader®https://www.blogger.com/profile/17670946654211536130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-7724341611604481552012-01-21T13:48:02.491-08:002012-01-21T13:48:02.491-08:00Good for you with Creative Commons.
I read thro...Good for you with Creative Commons. <br /><br />I read through many of the comments and they were all thoughtful. <br /><br />At some point I have difficulty defining what constitutes copying. Who owns peyote stitch? Who owns a netted bezel? Who owns a cross shape? Who owns a floral shape with with Russian leaves attached? I am always inspired by others. I do use bits and pieces of others works and adapt them to my own needs (honestly, I can never quite follow the directions bead by bead.) So am I copying? I have seen posts trying to set percentages of similarity that constitute copying. I don't have an answer. I do think of myself as honest and moral so if I rely on someone else's work as part of mine I give credit. I hope everyone is doing their best to live up to the high standards they would want for their own work.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02839682837427981888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-89860675813522346052012-01-21T13:05:07.127-08:002012-01-21T13:05:07.127-08:00As long as we want to find community of others wit...As long as we want to find community of others with similar passions we are going to ahve to deal with copycats. No one can really exactly copy what it is we each do, but it can be hurtful and offensive. I'm with you about art vs. guns and the need for art shared is so very powerful, that overrides my fears of copycats. My beaded cuffs are showing up in places but no one can do them exactly like me and when i add my own beads that I create and found objects that I collect, it becomes even harder. i simply enjoy the community far too much to let it run me over!!<br />Great post Robin!! thank you!!!Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13861364748418692061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-2111852099319700922012-01-21T12:31:42.841-08:002012-01-21T12:31:42.841-08:00I'm not famous enough to be copied, so I don&#...I'm not famous enough to be copied, so I don't have to worry about that, at least not yet... but I do think about the issue fairly often from the other side of the street. I have occasionally inadvertently used a detail of something I was inspired by - this happened once with you, Robin, and I knew that it had come from you, but not where, so I asked you. That piece was never intended for sale, so I wasn't worried about that, but I didn't want to put a piece of mine up on my blog with "stolen" elements. I have made many healing dolls from your spirit doll template.<br /><br />I have this problem - I make things, sometimes starting from someone's else's pattern, but with my own colors and design elements added. People want to buy them, or they want me to customize it somehow for them and make a different one and buy that one. The end product can be widely divergent, yet the seed idea came from someone else.<br /><br />I solve this problem by ALWAYS acknowledging the artist who created the original pattern, but still feel sort of wrong about it.<br /><br />I'd be interested in other artist's reactions to this question.<br /><br />I have also come up with similar original ideas to someone else at the same time - this is a problem writers and researchers have, too. It's not copying, it's more the morphogenetic field that we're all drawing energy from.Peggyhttp://peggyinparadise.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-82133981192730389202012-01-21T11:20:23.017-08:002012-01-21T11:20:23.017-08:00I read your blog post last night at work and had a...I read your blog post last night at work and had a nice sleep on it. Having someone copy is one of those teeter totter moments. Should I be flattered that they thought so much of my design that they copied it, or should I be upset that someone took what I did and is making production pieces from my imagination. The one good thing about this is that I'm always kept on my toes trying out new things keeping one-two-three steps ahead discovering different techniques and projects that not only keep me interested, but ahead of the copying game. <br /><br />I teach so I am very flattered when students show me what they made with my instructions. It makes me so happy that I shared knowledge with others. So far, I haven't had anyone profit from my projects, but then I don't care if they do if they've either paid for a kit or even asked my permission. Neither have I experienced someone taking my teaching materials and passing them on as their own making money from it.<br /><br />I met a person here in Ohio who was doing as you stated in your blog. She had actually copied your instructions from you button class & was going around teaching it at small groups. As far as I know she was not the person selling the kits, but I did strongly inform her that what she was teaching was your property, and before she could teach it using your print outs then she was essentially stealing. I'm not sure what happened after that as I lost contact with her. <br /><br />As for copying a design...well, there are times when two different people come up with similar pieces at the same time being inspired by someone else. This happened to me last year. The other person who'd come up with a similar project & unfortunately the same name accused me of stealing & actually sent me a legal notice. I was hurt, shocked, and oh yes a little upset as I had rarely seen her art work & my work looked nothing like her. I could have had a war, but instead I became the adult and thanked her for letting me know there was a conflict but that I did not get my inspiration from her. It did wake me up that there are those out there wanting to wage wars for little reason. I did immediately tell the person I was inspired by that I got my idea from her...and I am never going to teach that class as I don't want the original accuser besmirching my name even more than she did. I also don't want the bead store I work for get sued by that person. So I guess I'm just sharing this to show that there are times when people are innocent when assumed to be guilty. It still hurts that this person said nasty things about me, but I'm also blessed that so many people stood up for me & warned me (a very special friend warned me of this before I even had a clue). Sorry to go on and on about this...guess it still does bother me.<br /><br />And Robin though you & I have never met, I want to thank you for your generosity in sharing your out of print books to the world. I always let my student know about the large heart you have.flyingbeaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14552477017906406473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-57048194272508221272012-01-21T09:47:15.650-08:002012-01-21T09:47:15.650-08:00My creations I really do not want copied--like my ...My creations I really do not want copied--like my textile designs--I never put up online. I think Sweetpea should take it as a compliment that her art is showing up on Pinterest....that means she has a good audience! and just because it is posted there does not mean it will be copied. I love Pinterest for saving ideas and inspiration. You Know what Picasso said after seeing 10,000 yr old cave art in France ? " I have done nothing new." ie all art is derivative...Aurorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04833056164328878936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28049265.post-44959531826510074922012-01-21T08:08:48.839-08:002012-01-21T08:08:48.839-08:00Dear Robin, thank you for your wonderful blog and ...Dear Robin, thank you for your wonderful blog and your generosity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com